tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17934023.post3222333538183063117..comments2024-03-17T18:11:26.506+00:00Comments on Liberal Bureaucracy: Fallout from Watford - the perils of Dr Rachel JoyceMark Valladareshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15773193846795037711noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17934023.post-24036132185577303942008-08-12T22:23:00.000+01:002008-08-12T22:23:00.000+01:00Paul,Whilst I appreciate your willingness to engag...Paul,<BR/><BR/>Whilst I appreciate your willingness to engage, I can only suggest two things in response;<BR/><BR/>i) Read the whole blog before reacting - you'll see that I published Rachel's response yesterday where she distances herself from Ian.<BR/><BR/>ii) Don't contradict yourself - admitting that you have little insight into his state of mind and then claiming that he acted out of frustration and despair rather than wickedness or cruelty makes you look a little vulnerable to a charge of blind partisanship.<BR/><BR/>Your colleague in Tower Hamlets, Peter Golds, wouldn't be that foolhardy, and you could learn a lot from his grace under pressure in Brent in the early nineties.<BR/><BR/>I've done my politics in Brent, Southwark and Lambeth, and seen some unpleasantries in my time - the Labour campaign in my ward in 1990 was the first of many eye-openers, but what happened in Watford went way beyond anything that I've seen in twenty-four years as a political party member.Mark Valladareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15773193846795037711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17934023.post-75769941445917601492008-08-12T22:03:00.000+01:002008-08-12T22:03:00.000+01:00Perhaps as a candidate in a neighbouring seat and ...Perhaps as a candidate in a neighbouring seat and possibly as a friend, Dr. Joyce has some personal or professional insight into the Oakley's state of mind or his personal circumstances while he was committing these crimes. This is considerably more than you or indeed I have at this time. <BR/><BR/>What Ian Oakley did was bizarre, unprecidented and unjustifiable. It must have been a horrible experience for his victims. However I can point to a number of comments on the blogoshere from non-Conservative friends (from University and elsewhere) confirming his pleasantness, common sense and moderation. I'll cite them if required. What pushed him over the edge was frustration and dispair, not wickedness or cruelty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17934023.post-36794919265037687682008-08-09T15:35:00.000+01:002008-08-09T15:35:00.000+01:00Let's try that third paragraph again...However, my...Let's try that third paragraph again...<BR/><BR/>However, my dear troll (I understand that this is the terminology for one such as you), you fail to understand that merely pointing out that someone else has committed a foul crime, completely unrelated to their political activity, does not an argument make.Mark Valladareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15773193846795037711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17934023.post-83515577695542145632008-08-09T12:33:00.000+01:002008-08-09T12:33:00.000+01:00Dear Anonymous,I don't normally allow anonymous at...Dear Anonymous,<BR/><BR/>I don't normally allow anonymous attack comments, on the quite reasonable grounds that moral and ethical cowardice shouldn't be encouraged - you are, whoever you are, a coward if you hide behind the anonymity of the internet.<BR/><BR/>People commit all sorts of crimes, regardless of their political beliefs, activities or positions. The fact that they are crimes is indisputable, and a penalty should be paid, as decided by those we elect and appoint to represent us as a society.<BR/><BR/>However, my dear troll (I understand that this is the terminology for one such as you), your failure to understand that merely pointing out that someone else has committed a foul crime, completely unrelated to their political activity, does not an argument make.<BR/><BR/>I used the word 'unfortunate' in relation to Tower Hamlets because my true feelings on the subject are fairly unprintable. Note to troll - learn the difference between irony, understatement and fantasy.<BR/><BR/>If the only shot in your locker is a lack of moral relativism, might I suggest that you give up politics and try mud wrestling instead? It would at least be intellectually honest...Mark Valladareshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15773193846795037711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17934023.post-54453355865524985922008-08-09T11:38:00.000+01:002008-08-09T11:38:00.000+01:00I would also question the judgement of someone in ...I would also question the judgement of someone in my party who claims Tower Hamlets was a couple of unfortunate incidents. <BR/><BR/>http://cms.met.police.uk/news/convictions/paedophile/man_sentenced_in_indecent_images_caseAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17934023.post-59166642521218865192008-08-08T00:19:00.000+01:002008-08-08T00:19:00.000+01:00I am pretty sure I recognise Ian Oakley from the p...I am pretty sure I recognise Ian Oakley from the picture here http://lansonboy.blogspot.com/2008/08/watford-case-camerons-failings.html He was wearing a blue rosette last time I saw him, he was with a few others and was churning out abuse when he passed Grace and I at the 2006 Harrow Weald by-electionDuncan Borrowmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05301480655035778743noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17934023.post-81146597712106651482008-08-07T21:59:00.000+01:002008-08-07T21:59:00.000+01:00She sounds like she'll go far in either one of the...She sounds like she'll go far in either one of the Big Two with an attitude like that... Oh dear, am I being cynical again?Jennie Rigghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14893281560181289667noreply@blogger.com